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dlaka
Posted 20/3/2007 11:11 (#71)
Subject: Rekordi



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Nakon jednog treninga za DP, Kmoch je predložio, a ja sam konačno uhvatio malo vremena i prolistao malo po CIAM-u i pronašao najbitnije dijelove Pravilnika o postizanju i priznavanju rekorda u kat F1N. Da bi našem bavljenju u kat F1N dali novi motiv, dakle ne samo pobjedu na tekmi nego i postizanje čim dužeg leta, predlažemo uvođenje nacionalnog rekorda, a po uzoru i pravilniku CIAM-a. A tko zan, možda sutra netko od nas skine i Svjetski rekord

Htio bi čuti i Vaša mišljenja, a do tada par najvažnijih crtica iz Pravilnika vezano uz F1N:

2.1. WORLD CLASS RECORDS:
2.1.1. The FAI recognises World class records in the categories of model aircraft listed in Table I.
2.1.2. Holder(s) of Records.
A World record may belong to one person or a team. Where the record is in the name of more than one
person, FAI will list those persons in alphabetical order, unless otherwise directed by the claimants’ NAC.
2.1.3. Builder of the Model Aircraft
In all records, the claimant(s) must be the builder(s) of the model aircraft flown in the attempt, except
where the competition rules for the class exempt that class from rule B.3.1. The claimant(s) has/have to
confirm this by his/their signature on form "Table II, Application for Record Confirmation".

2) Records performed with model aircraft built to competition specification but with flights not necessarily
in a competition (Specific Model Aircraft). These records can be set in classes F1D, F1L, F1M and
F1N and in these classes the record may belong only to one person, not a team.

2.3.3. Timekeeping:
In the event the time is taken by using electronic stopwatches, two timekeepers must be used. The times
registered must be recorded at the scene of the record, and must be signed by the officiating
timekeepers. Only these times will be officially recognised. To follow the model in flight, the timekeepers
are permitted to move by any means of locomotion available to them
Recording barographs or electronic means of recording time other than stopwatches may be used if they
have received prior approval by the organising National Airsports Control. In such cases the time which is
established is that recorded by the barograph or electronic device. The loss of altitude between the
starting and landing points must not exceed 2 metres for each minute of flying time.

TABLE I
CLASSIFICATION OF RECORDS

Ceiling
Cat I
<8M
(a)
Ceiling
Cat II
8<15 M
(b)
Ceiling
Cat III
15<30 M
(c)
Ceiling
Cat IV
>30 M
(d)

Indoor
Glider
F1N
118(a) 118(b) 118(c) 118(d)
TABLE II
APPLICATION FOR RECORD ATTEMPT CONFIRMATION
MODEL AIRCRAFT
1. Numerical identification of record category:
(From Table I, Part Two of FAI Sporting Code.)
2. Record figure claimed:
3. Date of record attempt:
4. Name(s) of claimant(s):
5. FAI Sporting License(s) No
6. Nationality:
7. Name of NAC:
8. Characteristics of Model Aircraft:
Principal Dimensions: (Metric Units):
Total surface area
Weight without fuel
Weight with fuel
Minimum loading
Maximum loading
MOTOR
Bore ______________________
Stroke _____________________
Swept volume _______________
Make ______________________
Electric motors:
Make/type ____________________________________
Nominal capacity __________VA
Power source(s) S SOL COMB Encircle which is applicable
Type of cells ________________________
No. of cells S: ________ SOL: ________
Total working voltage __________________V
9. I/we, the undersigned, certify that all requirements of the Sporting Code for this category have been met to the
best degree I/we can determine.
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Signature of Directing Official Signature(s) of Claimant(s)
Certification by NAC Official ______________________________________
10. Enclosures: a) three view drawing
b) photograph of the model aircraft
c) statement of all necessary supporting data
4 for enclosed documents
Official stamp of NAC

TABLE III
CHECKLIST RECORD DOSSIER- MODEL AIRCRAFT
When preparing a world record dossier, please check against the list that all requirements have been met.
ITEM
No. DESCRIPTION
CHECK
MARK
0 GENERAL: FAI Office in Lausanne notified by email or fax within seven (7) days of the day the record was set.
1 Table II completely filled out and properly signed (names also in block letters). Remember certification by NAC official.
2 Three-view drawing of model, certified by NAC Official (2.11.1.b).
3 Photograph of model, certified by NAC Official (2.11.1.c).
4 List of officials and observers, signed by Directing Official (2.12)
5 Summary of all supporting data submitted with the dossier (2.11.1.e).
6 All supporting data signed by Directing Official (2.12).
7 Description of record attempt (2.12).
7a Claimant is the builder of the model (if applicable, see 2.1.3).
7b Claimant(s) confirm that the aircraft is intended to be a model (1.1).
7c Claimant’s NAC to confirm the claim as a national record (2.11.1.d).
8 For RC records other than in the F8 category, a statement confirming that the model was in the sight of the pilot who was
in direct radio control of the model aircraft via a transmitter, for the whole of the flight.
9 DURATION RECORDS
Flight card, showing both stopwatch readings entered in ink, signed by both time-keepers (2.3.3).
9a Final record figure rounded off to lower whole second, discarding fractions of a second (2.3.4).
9b Certificate on accuracy of stopwatches (2.3.4) or special timing devices (2.12).
9c Statement that duration of take-off run of hydroplane does not exceed 2% of total flight time (2.3.1.2).
9d Statement that duration of engine run of RC models is not less than 98% of total flight time (2.3.1.4).
9e Statement on landing point for RC models (2.3.2).
9f Statement on flying site required for powered models (2.2.13).

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Bojan
Posted 30/3/2007 20:56 (#250 - in reply to #71)
Subject: RE: Rekordi



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Malo sam proučavao ovaj pravilnik uglavnom zbog onog dijela "officiating timekeepers" i izgleda da nema nekih posebnih pravila o tome tko može biti ovlašteni ili službeni štoper. To bi značilo da nema prepreka da pokrenemo postizanje i priznavanje rekorda. Za sad možemo krenuti i voditi podatke o lokalnim rekordima, a ako i kad dođe vrijeme napada na svjetske rekorde onda bi morali postaviti i neka rigoroznija pravila kontrole postignutih vremena. Ima nas punokrvnih balkanaca pa bi stvari trebalo postaviti tako da izbjegnemo recimo "sumnjive" rezultate  i da ne bude ono: Dlala i Bomber štopali Leliju i izmjerili 53 sek (svaka sličnost sa stvarnim osobama je slučajna ), ali jeziga nakon toga ne ide preko 37 sek.

Možda bi mogli uvesti pravilo da su potrebna 3 ili 4 štopera i moraju biti iz minimalno 2 ili 3 kluba. Ili da izaberemo 10-ak osoba koje priznamo za zvanične štopere. Možda malo komplicira stvar, ali tako ćemo biti sigurniji.

U svakom slučaju mislim da bi s tim mogli krenuti.


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dlaka
Posted 31/3/2007 10:33 (#263 - in reply to #71)
Subject: RE: Rekordi



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Mislim da su dovoljna dva štoprera. Možda je bolje da licenciramo desetak ljudi koji će svojim potpisom garantirati vjerodostojnost rezultata.









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Bojan
Posted 31/3/2007 21:54 (#275 - in reply to #263)
Subject: RE: Rekordi



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Sudeći po tvom potpisu jedan kandidat manje
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dlaka
Posted 31/3/2007 22:06 (#277 - in reply to #71)
Subject: RE: Rekordi



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Naravno, jer ja sam taj koji će obarat rekorde










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Bojan
Posted 31/3/2007 22:32 (#278 - in reply to #277)
Subject: RE: Rekordi



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Misliš, pokušat ćeš obarati naše rekorde
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dlaka
Posted 31/3/2007 22:41 (#279 - in reply to #71)
Subject: RE: Rekordi



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Nisam znao da si me skinuo ( službeno DP 25. 02. 07. 36,9 sec, a neslužbeno 38,1 sec)










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Bojan
Posted 31/3/2007 23:57 (#281 - in reply to #71)
Subject: Re: Rekordi



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To ti niš ne vrijedi, još nismo počeli pisati.
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dlaka
Posted 3/4/2007 11:01 (#327 - in reply to #71)
Subject: Re: Rekordi



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Moj prijedlog licenciranja štopera za rekorde:

1. Bojan Stűrmer
2. Dubravko Pavlić
3. Zoran Lulić
4. Damir Kmoch
5. Robert Leško
6. Marko Butković
7. Igor Pongrac
8. Marin Veličkov
9. Nenad Horvat
10. Krešimir Hrastovec
11. Mario Omrčen
12. Vilim Zobec
13. Saša Pećinar

Popisu bi se naknadno dodali eventualni novi štoperi iz klubova/regija kada u njihovim sredinama zaživi F1N.

Za pravovaljano postizanje rekorda, potrebna su dva štoprera i to:

Bojan Stürmer + još jedan

ili

dva štopera iz različitih klubova

Da bi rekord bio službeni, potrenbo je ispuniti formular sa slijedećim podacima:

- datum, vrijeme i mjesto
- ime, prezime i klub natjecatelja
- izmjerena vremena oba štopera
- potpisi oba štopere
- potpis natjecatelja

Prilog:

- skica ili nacrt modela i fotografija

Za rekorde postignute na službenom natjecanju, štoperi ne moraju biti s popisa.

Ajmo Vaša mišljenja, prijedloge i sve ostalo u svezi i glede rekorda.

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nenad
Posted 3/4/2007 12:04 (#329 - in reply to #327)
Subject: Re: Rekordi



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Podržavam prijedlog, no...
Mišljenja sam da za priznavanje rekorda budu dva licencirana suca iz različitih klubova, Bojan netreba biti uvijet. Nikad nemožeš reći sa sigurnošču da će biti na nekoj tekmi, može biti sprijećen iz razno raznih razloga. Za priznavanje rekorda na službenom natjecanju ipak bi trebali biti licencirani suci, jer onda nema smisla licencirati.


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dlaka
Posted 3/4/2007 12:36 (#330 - in reply to #71)
Subject: Re: Rekordi



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Mislim da nisi shvatio za Bojana. Njega sam, kao predsjednika komisije (znači, osoba od povjerenja) predložio da može,uz bilo kojeg od licenciranih i bez obzira na pripadnost klubu, biti pravovaljan. A ako nije Bojan, onda dvoje licenciranih, ali iz dva kluba.

Kaj se tiče tekmi, to nebi trebalo biti sporno, i nebi trebalo inizstirati na licenciranima, nego na štoperima osiguranim od organizatora.







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nenad
Posted 3/4/2007 13:22 (#331 - in reply to #71)
Subject: Re: Rekordi



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Aha, znači ili jedna ili druga kombinacija dolaze u obzir, Bojan + jedan ili dva licencirana suca. Kada pogledamo listu prijedloga uglavnom su to ljudi koji su prisutni na svakoj F1N tekmi tako da nebi trebalo biti problematično sa štoperima, pogotovo licenciranima.
Eh da, još jedna stvar, mislim da bi i na formularu trebalo biti navedeno i koja je kategorija dvorane, možda je to samo zaboravljeno kod izrade popisa.
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zlulic
Posted 3/4/2007 14:15 (#332 - in reply to #71)
Subject: RE: Rekordi


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Mislim da je pravi put malo drugačiji.
Odeš na www.fai.org pa pod aeromodelling pronadješ sporting code pa ABR section - cijela druga polovica tog pravilinika se bavi rekordima. Znači od tamo treba proučiti (prešprancati) porceduru, pa onda naši rekordi mogu biiti priznati i na međunarodnoj razini.

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nenad
Posted 3/4/2007 15:31 (#333 - in reply to #71)
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Ako ja dobro čitam od samog početka ovog thread-a, mislim da je Dlaka krenuo tim putem. Ako sam u krivu sorry, ispravite me.
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dlaka
Posted 4/4/2007 13:43 (#345 - in reply to #71)
Subject: Re: Rekordi



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U pravu si,

naravno da ide i visina dvorane. U prvom postu na ovu temu ima i taj dio:

CLASSIFICATION OF RECORDS

Ceiling
Cat I
<8M
(a)
Ceiling
Cat II
8<15 M
(b)
Ceiling
Cat III
15<30 M
(c)
Ceiling
Cat IV
>30 M
(d)

Indoor
Glider
F1N
118(a) 118(b) 118(c) 118(d)

To bi značilo da, ako je rekord postignut u dvorani Cat I (Varaždin) da se rekord vodi pod šifrom 118(a).

Dakle, primjer oborenog nacionalnog rekorda u Varaždinu, formular bi izgledao ovako:

F1N 118(a)

- datum, vrijeme i mjesto: 01. 04. 2007. 14:45 Varaždin
- ime, prezime i klub natjecatelja: Bolan Šmirgler, MK Zaprašić
- izmjerena vremena oba štopera: 39:99 sec 39:96 sec
- potpisi oba štopere: Neđad Hrvat Mirko Bataković
- potpis natjecatelja: BOLAN ŠMIRGLER

svaka sličnost sa stvarnim osobama nije slučajna

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